12: Removing Bodily Interference with Chiropractic Care

Welcome back, friends! The Vedalas are BACK for season 2 of Vital Visions. For the first episode of the season, the brothers sit down with Norman Regional's very own chiropractor, Angela Schmidt, DC.

Dr. Schmidt talks about what drew her to become a chiropractor, what it was like completely switching careers to pursue chiropractic care, what an office visit looks like with her, how chiropractic care can help patients and more.

Don't miss this episode full of valuable information regarding our spine health!

Guest Bio:
Angela Schmidt, DC is a doctor of chiropractic who is certified by the Oklahoma Board of Chiropractic Examiners. She earned her Doctorate and Bachelor of Science degrees in Anatomy and Health and Wellness from Parker University in Dallas. She was one of a select few chosen for the prestigious opportunity to complete her clinical internship abroad in Bogota, Colombia treating Olympic and high-performance athletes.

“Chiropractic changed my life,” said Dr. Schmidt. “I wanted a more natural way to relieve my back and neck pain and chiropractic care not only gave me that relief but my seasonal allergies disappeared! That’s when I knew there was more to this healing art and followed my calling to help others through chiropractic the way it helped me.”

Dr. Schmidt provides specific chiropractic adjustments to help patients of all ages feel and function their best. She specializes in: Acute and chronic pain, Back pain, Family care, Headaches and migraines, Neck pain and whiplash, Newborn care and pediatrics, Pregnancy, Posture and ergonomics, Sciatica and Wellness care.

Dr. Schmidt is certified in Webster Technique, a specific chiropractic sacral analysis and adjustment, through the International Chiropractic Pediatric Association (ICPA).

“Patients can expect me to listen with compassion, serve with gratitude and deliver the best possible care so they may experience health at their fullest potential,” said Dr. Schmidt.  Traveling, hiking, gardening and yoga are a few of Dr. Schmidt’s favorite activities. She also enjoys nature and making memories with her husband and son.

Links:
Angela Schmidt, DC
Norman Regional Chiropractic and Wellness Clinic
Blog: Magic Touch with Norman Regional Chiropractic Care

This podcast is for educational purposes only. The information in this show is not to be used as medical advice. If you are needing medical care, please consult with your physician.

Norman Regional is hiring! See all our open opportunities here: https://careers.normanregional.com/careers-home/

Transcript

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Welcome, friends.

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Dr. Veer Vedala here.

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And I'm Dr.

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Krishna Vedala, and.

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We are the Vedala Bros

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Welcome to season
two of our podcast, Vital Visions,

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where we delve into all things
vital, empowering our community,

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one health topic at a time. Absolutely.

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And to our returning listeners,
it's fantastic to have you back

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and to our new listeners.

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Buckle up, because in this podcast
we explore emerging medical research,

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the latest in technology

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and crucial health care topics
that resonate with our community here

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at Norman Regional.

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Plus, we also sprinkle in some health
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That's the spirit.

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And each episode,
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from medical professionals
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and even some of our friendly neighbors.

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Together, we tackle various issues
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So whether you're a health enthusiast
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about healthy living trends,
consider this podcast.

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To be your ultimate go to resource.

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So join us as we navigate the journey
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and explore
the latest trends in wellbeing.

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Welcome to Vital Visions
Where Health meets Community.

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Welcome back, my friends.

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Doctor Veer Vedala again
here, joined by my co-host, Dr.

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Krisha Vedala. And we are the Vedala Bros.

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Thank you guys again for joining us
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Vital Visions,
where we discuss all things vital.

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It's a vast world of medicine out there,
but I feel like the only way Krishna,

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to describe our next guest is

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musculoskeletal mastery.

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That's where we have our favorite
amazing chiropractor here today, Dr.

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Angela Schmidt. Dr. Schmidt ,
thank you so much for being here.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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Just to give our listeners
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I think that the

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common belief out there.

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Dr. Schmidt correct us at any point

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is that chiropractic care

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specializes in diagnosing
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of musculoskeletal skeletal system,
particularly with the spine.

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But people don't know that the focus
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of the nervous system with the spine
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How the body can actually heal itself
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and surgery would you say that's accurate?

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I would say it's accurate,
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Are we done?

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no, no, no, no, no.

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I mean you covered it,
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We haven't even began because now
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So, everybody, we are thrilled
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Angela Schmidt, someone that we've gotten
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someone that I just feel
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just an amazing person,
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Angela Schmidt. Wooo. Thank you so much.

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So one of the first
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kind of in your own words
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So Veer,
that was so beautiful and eloquently.

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put it together.

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I was like, Well,
I don't need to say anything else

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because that that just was perfect,
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So chiropractic is more than just science.

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It's also philosophy and art.

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and so that's what we do as chiropractors

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we believe in the innate power of the body
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in the nervous system and allowing
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it has such an important job to do.

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protected by that spine,
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because it is a very important,
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We live our lives
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mainly on musculoskeletal, but
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but we remove that interference,
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That influences the immune system.

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That person then can start living
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we believe, like I said, the innate
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It's like if you get a cut on your finger,
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Is it the Band-Aid that's healing your cut
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It's you.

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So that's what we
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And so then the art
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because every chiropractor is different
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Most chiropractors
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diversified is probably the most common
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so I do diversified,
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with the patient all prone
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So all vary
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and what they need at that moment.

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But yeah. That that's amazing.

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And this is, you know,
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you know, traditional medicine
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teach us a lot of this in our
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it's important as and I think again,
it comes back to the focus of us

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at Norman Regional
that we're all healers. Yep.

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And we have plenty
to learn from each other.

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So thank you for that amazing explanation.

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you know, like always, in our podcast,

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we, we try to,

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learn a little bit more
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on more of a personal level, right,
to see who you are beyond your profession.

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And so, a couple of questions that I was
interested in is like, you know,

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outside
of the work life, what do you like to do?

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What do you do for fun?

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What are some of your hobbies?

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So I'm a huge nerd.

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I love to learn everything
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So I'm really just a curious person.

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So I'm trying to get in as many audiobooks
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my commute, learn different languages,
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So cool.

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I also spend a lot of time outdoors,

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so any spare time I have, I'm
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I love to hike, I love to go to the lake
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So you can pretty much

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find me outside with my shoes off
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I'm jealous.

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My my grass is a pond right now. Yeah.

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Mine is to.

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Us too. We were going to do a lot of gardening.

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We had everything set up,
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Then we got the rain.

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Then we got the rain
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But what are you gardening?
What are you planting?

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So we've got a little raised garden

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where we're growing some spinach,
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That's my husband's favorite.

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So carrots are always a must.

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Yeah, Every season I've thrown
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This year I always have jalapenos going.

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I think that's it.

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And I'll swap out and oh radishes.

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I just switched out from regular
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If you've never tried watermelon radishes,
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They. They look like a little watermelon.

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You cute them open they're green
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and a beautiful red
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Wow. Really?
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That must be really nice.

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Just go to your garden. It is.

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Yeah. Thank you for sharing.

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Are there any other particular hobbies
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husband and stuff like, particular hikes

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that you guys go and Oklahoma,
you recommend places and stuff.

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And we don't go on
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We did have a good run of every year
we're driving or flying up to Estes

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Park in Colorado. Oh we love Estes Park.

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We love Estes Park.

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So I think it was probably six
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and my parents went up with us,
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and I did a 13,000 foot summit hike,
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we got up to a certain elevation,
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miles,high. I'm sorry, feet high.

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And then we had to get oxygen.

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And so.
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I did, yes.

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and I couldn't make it across Walmart,
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But yes,
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And then we were supposed to go to

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Pikes Peak and I was just like,
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I'm in trouble right now.
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But the rest of I mean, Colorado itself
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There's so much to do. So

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before twice now
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I just love the little town.

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It's it's.

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It's so cute because we've been so much,

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We feel like it's almost our second home.
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We love to go to places more than once
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and get to know all the little nooks
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Yes, of course. Yeah.

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So what made you interested,

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And when we talked a little bit
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or what got you interested into,
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So that takes me back to
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So he was a police
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and I joined the department
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that was my career

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path as I was eventually gonna work my way
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So he started to get some back pain
from all the gear he had to wear.

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I was getting some neck pains
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from just all the dispatcher duties
and things and the stress.

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So we started to go
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and that was my first experience

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with chiropractic and
I was in my early twenties at that point.

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And so we went and we got great results.

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Our pain went away,
but we continued on with treatment

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and eventually he started to get results
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And I got results.

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I wasn't expecting.

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I was sleeping much, much better.

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My allergies were improving,
my energy levels

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were improved, my overall well-being,
just every facet of my life.

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I never realized that I was living
at such a suboptimal level

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for so long
until I had all that interference removed.

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So we just in talking to our chiropractor,
we decided to switch careers.

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So we got married,

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packed up our stuff, moved down to Dallas
and went to Parker University down there.

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Okay. You both go to school together?

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We did. In the same class?

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Same classes, like the whole way.
That's awesome.

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How was that going to school
with your husband?

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So because we started out
working together, you know,

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I was his dispatcher, so I got to
boss him around and send him on calls.

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So it all worked out really well.

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And, you know, we've been married 18 years
now, so yeah,

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we've done pretty good,
I think. Yeah, that's awesome.

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Yeah, we went to medical school together.

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That's why I was curious. And so.
Yeah, Yeah.

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And you work together.

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Downstairs from me, in fact. So.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There's some nice,

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You know,
there's some positives and negatives.

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Working with family, right?

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What negatives are we talking about?

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It's not about us. Okay. Obviously Okay. Yeah,
that's true.

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Yes. Well

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Dr. Schmidt, so for our listeners
who are like, you know,

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unfamiliar, have never had an adjustment
or something like that before.

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what does, like, a initial visit with
you look like?

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How often do they come back
for readjustments or treatments?

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Okay, so I'll walk you through
kind of what to expect as a new patient

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That would be great. Okay, perfect.

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So when somebody shows up to our office

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for the first time,
of course they fill out the paperwork.

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And so I'm looking over that.

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They're in an exam room.

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I go in there,
I consult with them, sit down.

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Just, I really want to hear what they have
to say, what's going on in their life,

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what problems they've got going on
and then we take a set of x rays.

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I like to visually see
what the spine looks like,

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make sure there's no reason
why I shouldn't adjust anywhere.

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But then also it
gives me a good indication of

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what the spine's been going through,
what stresses

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there are,
because I'm looking for the greatest area

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of stress in the spine
when I'm doing an exam.

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So when I go in there after the x rays
and I look and I'm examining

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and feeling muscle tone, restricted
joint motion,

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I can piece that together with what
I see visually and be like, ah yeah.

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So that does correlate match up

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because we can see degenerative changes
in the spine on x ray

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when there's been lack of proper motion,
in the joint for quite some time.

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So that first visit with them, I'm
just initially gathering all of

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this information and once they leave, I'm
sitting down with those x rays.

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I'm really studying them over making sure
I don't miss any small details there.

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Correlating all that together
and coming up with a good treatment

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plan for them,

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something that is going to get them
not only feeling better, but

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functioning at their best,
most optimal level as quickly as possible.

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Because I know everybody's busy.

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They want to be feeling better and being,

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you know, back
to doing what they want to do.

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So that second visit,
I try to get them to come back

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the very next day
so we can get them started.

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And what we'll do is I'll show them
their x rays so I'll show them everything

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I've found, Go through those with them,
make sure they don't have any questions.

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Tell them what their treatment plan
is. Explain that to them.

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That way

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they understand what the process is,
how long they can expect it all to take.

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And then I'll get them treated.

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I'll adjust them.

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And the adjustments take
just a few seconds to adjust each joint.

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So that's rather quick.

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And then I'll take them out
to my assistant.

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Who'll go over all of their financials
with them.

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So answering any questions
about insurance benefits

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and what that looks like as it pertains
to that treatment plan. That's awesome.

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So insurance.

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So that might be something
that patients have questions about, like

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does insurance cover the treatments
or what does that look like?

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So every insurance
is a little bit different.

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So most insurances do have
some sort of coverage for chiropractic.

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There are some exceptions to that.

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There are a few insurances
out there that do not cover,

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but if anybody ever has any questions,
they can always call my office

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and my assistant,

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She is very well versed in insurance
and she can try to give a lot of guidance

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before she starts

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verifying benefits and really help
walk them through that process.

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But for those who insurance
unfortunately does not cover chiropractic,

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we do offer self-pay options
and we try to give little discounts

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where we can to help
make it more affordable for folks.

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Because I'm so passionate
about chiropractic,

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I want everybody to get the care
that they need and that they want.

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That, that's awesome. And

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that, like how much would like

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an adjustment cost without insurance?

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So without insurance,
we're looking about $55 just for a

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self-pay price. Alright?

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Wow. Per adjustment

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correct me if I'm wrong,
but like I think that's

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pretty much average
or even cheaper than places.

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I think that's pretty average.

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Yeah.

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Like for Oklahoma, so
if you go to different states, of course

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it will vary based upon cost of living
and just cost of everything else per state.

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So if you go out to the coast, it's

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going to be more expensive
for self-pay chiropractic.

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But here in the Midwest,
especially in Oklahoma,

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I feel like $55 is about
pretty good average for most self-pay prices.

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That's kind of what I've seen too. $55.

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And just for all those Norman
Regional employees, our insurance does

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cover chiropractic care because I'm also
a patient of Doctor Schmidt's too.

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So just everybody knows

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Norman Regional employees, our
WebTPA does cover chiropractic care.

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Yes it does. One of the things
that I've always felt

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really moved by is how passionate you are
about chiropractic care in general.

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And so the thing is,
is, is passion is one thing,

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but what are some of the daily hurdles
that you face like in your in your job.

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Daily hurdles?

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I would say probably the biggest one
I deal with on a daily

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basis is just the sheer size
and layout of my office.

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Because coming from private practice,
we try to make it as efficient and flow

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as smoothly as possible and line of sight
to my assistants is very important

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because I nonverbally communicate to them
and I can't do that in my office.

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And so we've got this long hallway
that I'm down and around a corner

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from my assistant
who's up at the front desk.

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So our visual communication
is pretty much nonexistent.

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So there's a lot of steps,
a lot of walking.

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And so unlike a
traditional medical office,

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I stay in one room and my assistants
bring the patients back to me.

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So I'm not doing a bunch of walking,
a bunch of extra moving.

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I'm just standing there focused for each
patient that comes in and ready for them.

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And so I would say that's our daily
hurdle.

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Just, I'm always looking for ways
to improve and make things more efficient.

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That way it's better for the patient.

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We get them in,
get them seen, taken care of and out

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on their way doing what they want to do.

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Because like I said,
everybody leads very busy lives.

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And it's just you and your assistant
that are.

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Yes, it's me and one assistant right now.

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So we're looking to hire a second one
because whenever she's in taking X-rays

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and I'm having to go back myself
and pull patients back

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and do that right now
and so we're making it work.

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Yeah, right. Yeah.

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And being at your office, I mean, I think

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it's it's a very beautiful space
and I feel at peace when I'm up there.

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And I think that's the environment
you've created.

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And we appreciate you for that.

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But I wanted to talk a little talk
a little bit

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more on the different locations
you work at and where you can help

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our patients.

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So you've got one office in the southwest

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location. Yeah, right. Yeah.

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So on Southwest 119th between
May and Penn, so southwest, Oklahoma City,

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almost Moore area.

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And so that's my main location.

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That's where
we initially opened up this practice.

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And so I will say
this is the first chiropractic office

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that Norman Regional has ever had.

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So I was very honored
to be able to come in and establish this.

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And I think we're one of the only three
or two in the state that I, that's

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a health system that I believe actually
has a chiropractic dedicated office.

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And I'm not really sure
what the other two are on top of my head,

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but that's a big deal.

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And that's,

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that's pretty

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the once again,
that's kind of sets us apart

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compared to all the other health systems
in the metro area.

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Yes, it does.

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And yeah, it's pretty rare to find,

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like you said, chiropractic integrated
with the health system.

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So that's my main office
over in Southwest OKC

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and that's

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where new patients
would need to establish with me

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because that's where we've got the X-ray
and, you know, the space

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to be able to handle that.

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On Thursdays
I'm down at Health at The Well

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in downtown Norman, and that's where I see
established patients.

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But also I can see different types
of new patients at the well,

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if they're pregnant or pediatric,
I am able to see those there

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because
we're not typically X-raying those folks

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so we can go ahead and get them established
there if we need to on a Thursday.

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That's awesome.

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And can you tell us
a little bit more about The Well?

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So The Well's a really unique space
and 

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It's very peaceful and calming
and that's what

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we've taken back to our South OKC office
and tried to emulate.

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So when you walk
in, it's does not look like your typical

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physician's office at all.

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We've got these really unique egg

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chairs that play spa music
and they're really comfortable.

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We've got live moss on the wall,
a waterfall.

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We've got a beautiful YouTube
scene playing that's nature

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with some calm music.

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And everybody
who comes in through these doors always is

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just wowed and amazed by what
a different and unique space this is.

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Yeah, And we can we can account for that
because we're actually recording

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on The Well right now.
And we love it here.

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And we love
we love what you've done with the space.

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And just like being here, just
it makes you feel at peace.

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And I haven't
I haven't sat in those egg chairs yet,

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but I plan to do it at some point.

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I've got to give it a try.

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Got to give it a try. It's awesome.

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They look great.

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They do.

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They do it. Just the waterfall scene.

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And is this is this live grass?

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We've had that question.

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It is.

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It is live moss, In the wintertime,
it does get a little crusty.

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But people always ask us, what
do you have to do to take care of that?

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We do absolutely nothing.

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It just gets the moisture from the air.

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So if you go and feel it right
now, it's nice and soft.

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Like you just want to lay down,
take a nap on it.

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But that's amazing.

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In the in the wintertime,
it gets very, very crusty and dry,

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but it still lives and thrives.

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It does well. That's great.

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Wow. What do you think are,

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some risks
or what are some potential risks?

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you know, when it comes to,

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potential complications
of spinal adjustment.

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So in all my years of practice, really,

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the only thing, the most common thing
that we see with patients

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post adjustment is just some initial
muscle soreness.

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And I compare that to,

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you know, somebody who is going to the gym
for the first time

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if they haven't been in several months.

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You know, you're
you're stressing your muscles, you're

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breaking those muscles down
so they can build up stronger

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and you're going to get
that initial soreness for a few days.

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And so as we get

461
00:20:58,091 --> 00:21:02,057
proper motion going through these joints
that haven't moved properly in some time,

462
00:21:02,157 --> 00:21:04,124
think about all those muscles
and ligaments that attach.

463
00:21:04,124 --> 00:21:06,123
They're used to one way
of dysfunctional motion.

464
00:21:06,123 --> 00:21:10,190
We're trying to introduce better,
more functional motion patterns over time,

465
00:21:10,290 --> 00:21:12,956
so there will be some soreness
most likely.

466
00:21:12,956 --> 00:21:15,089
And I always just tell folks, use ice.

467
00:21:15,089 --> 00:21:18,955
That's much better for inflammation
than than heat would be.

468
00:21:19,055 --> 00:21:22,255
But that's the
that's my most common thing.

469
00:21:22,255 --> 00:21:23,121
I see.

470
00:21:23,121 --> 00:21:26,654
Also, people come in after
their first few adjustments and they say,

471
00:21:26,821 --> 00:21:28,487
I'm just sleeping so much better.

472
00:21:28,487 --> 00:21:32,653
So there's many good side effects
that come from it too.

473
00:21:32,886 --> 00:21:33,986
Yeah.

474
00:21:33,986 --> 00:21:38,819
So in addition to adjustments, I know
you'd mentioned some of the other services

475
00:21:38,886 --> 00:21:41,419
you offer in your, in your practice,
such as needling,

476
00:21:41,419 --> 00:21:42,552
but could you walk us through some,

477
00:21:42,552 --> 00:21:44,185
some of the things that you do
in your clinic.

478
00:21:44,185 --> 00:21:44,485
Yeah.

479
00:21:44,485 --> 00:21:48,751
So in addition to chiropractic,
I have been certified in acupuncture,

480
00:21:48,751 --> 00:21:52,884
so I do offer acupuncture.
In my private practice,

481
00:21:52,884 --> 00:21:55,150
prior to coming here,
I did needle acupuncture.

482
00:21:55,150 --> 00:21:59,049
But here within Norman Regional,
I just do electronic acupuncture.

483
00:21:59,049 --> 00:22:02,049
So I have this little tool
that delivers a little zap.

484
00:22:02,249 --> 00:22:05,749
And living in Oklahoma
with the pollens and allergens

485
00:22:05,749 --> 00:22:08,481
that we have, people love it.

486
00:22:08,481 --> 00:22:11,848
And so sinus and allergy
point acupuncture is probably

487
00:22:11,848 --> 00:22:15,181
the most common thing I incorporate
after an adjustment to help people

488
00:22:15,281 --> 00:22:17,814
try to get through the allergy season
without having to take quite

489
00:22:17,814 --> 00:22:20,213
so many antihistamines. Yeah.

490
00:22:20,213 --> 00:22:24,013
that's that's great, because, you know,
a lot of us have to do it chronically.

491
00:22:24,079 --> 00:22:28,412
And other risk factors that come from
antihistamine use are a profound enough.

492
00:22:28,412 --> 00:22:32,145
I mean, constipation, dry mouth and
studies linking it to dementia and things.

493
00:22:32,145 --> 00:22:35,611
And so this is an alternative treatment
that our patients could use.

494
00:22:35,711 --> 00:22:36,878
Yeah.

495
00:22:36,944 --> 00:22:37,311
What do you think

496
00:22:37,311 --> 00:22:42,410
are some, lifestyle modifications
or changes at home that, patients can,

497
00:22:42,577 --> 00:22:46,276
can, can do to help in addition
to their treatments?

498
00:22:46,343 --> 00:22:47,443
That's a good question.

499
00:22:47,443 --> 00:22:50,509
I get asked by patients
a lot what they can do at home.

500
00:22:50,509 --> 00:22:52,042
Are there exercises I could do?

501
00:22:52,042 --> 00:22:52,842
And I always tell them

502
00:22:52,842 --> 00:22:55,775
no, just just kind of
I have no homework for you at this point.

503
00:22:55,775 --> 00:22:56,808
Yeah, really?

504
00:22:56,808 --> 00:23:00,208
Because to me, the most important thing
when somebody comes through my door

505
00:23:00,208 --> 00:23:02,507
is that we need to get those joints
moving properly.

506
00:23:02,507 --> 00:23:04,874
And so the adjustment to me in
my mind is number one,

507
00:23:04,874 --> 00:23:06,607
and that's what I'm focusing on.

508
00:23:06,607 --> 00:23:08,873
And if down the road
we need to give them exercises

509
00:23:08,873 --> 00:23:11,273
or have them focus on something
specifically, we'll do that.

510
00:23:11,273 --> 00:23:15,872
But I just say you know, if
there's exercises you enjoy doing, do that

511
00:23:15,872 --> 00:23:18,972
because I have a little card of exercises
that I'm going to give you.

512
00:23:18,972 --> 00:23:20,005
You're probably not going to like as much

513
00:23:20,005 --> 00:23:24,104
as whatever you're already doing at home,
whether it be yoga, cycling, whatever.

514
00:23:24,171 --> 00:23:27,171
So I encourage them
to do whatever they enjoy most

515
00:23:27,404 --> 00:23:32,203
and modify or discontinue
if they have any issues.

516
00:23:32,270 --> 00:23:34,003
but I would say also sleeping.

517
00:23:34,003 --> 00:23:37,269
I get lots of folks that come in and say,
I've got this crick in my neck.

518
00:23:37,269 --> 00:23:38,869
I woke up with this pain.

519
00:23:38,869 --> 00:23:42,135
So making sure that when they're sleeping
they've got a good pillow

520
00:23:42,135 --> 00:23:46,401
that supports them in whatever
sleep posture they are in so side sleeping

521
00:23:46,401 --> 00:23:48,901
they need a little bit higher pillow.
They may be sleeping on their back.

522
00:23:48,901 --> 00:23:52,300
And so looking at that, making sure
their head is in line with their spine

523
00:23:52,467 --> 00:23:55,467
can make a world of difference
for when they wake up the next morning.

524
00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:59,633
And then, of course, office
ergonomics and technology is a big one.

525
00:23:59,633 --> 00:24:02,766
I'm seeing kids younger
and younger these days on devices

526
00:24:02,766 --> 00:24:07,765
and they've got their heads looking down
to their laps, look up, they never look up.

527
00:24:07,865 --> 00:24:11,198
And so that just makes my neck hurt
looking at these little children.

528
00:24:11,198 --> 00:24:15,297
And so everybody needs chiropractic care
and it's going to be younger

529
00:24:15,297 --> 00:24:16,130
and younger and younger.

530
00:24:16,130 --> 00:24:19,030
These kids are going to start
having neck pain.

531
00:24:19,030 --> 00:24:19,663
Yeah.

532
00:24:19,663 --> 00:24:24,429
And it's rough like we can't really
I mean, there's a lot of research

533
00:24:24,429 --> 00:24:29,362
out there going into this and,
linking screen time with ADHD and things.

534
00:24:29,362 --> 00:24:32,561
And even though there's like publication
after publication and saying, hey, no,

535
00:24:32,595 --> 00:24:35,628
screen time and it just keeps happening.

536
00:24:35,694 --> 00:24:37,961
Yeah, it's a challenge.

537
00:24:37,961 --> 00:24:40,927
so some of our listeners,

538
00:24:40,927 --> 00:24:44,360
we're thinking are going to be,
you know, students and

539
00:24:44,426 --> 00:24:48,593
young learners who are looking into
a, you know, their own careers

540
00:24:48,593 --> 00:24:53,225
and what they, what they want to do
as they get older.

541
00:24:53,225 --> 00:24:57,825
And so the question we always ask our,
our guests is

542
00:24:58,058 --> 00:25:00,524
what was, and you've already talked about

543
00:25:00,524 --> 00:25:01,957
How you got into chiropractic.

544
00:25:01,957 --> 00:25:03,457
But could you talk to us a little bit more

545
00:25:03,457 --> 00:25:05,124
about what chiropractic school looks like,

546
00:25:05,124 --> 00:25:08,823
how long it is, and what degrees
you need to be able to apply, and all that stuff?

547
00:25:09,023 --> 00:25:13,522
So yeah, so it depends on what state
you want to practice in.

548
00:25:13,522 --> 00:25:17,022
So if anybody is interested
in becoming a chiropractor, I'd say

549
00:25:17,089 --> 00:25:19,588
try to figure out if you know what state
you want to practice in

550
00:25:19,588 --> 00:25:23,988
because that'll dictate kind of how
your beginning part of schooling is.

551
00:25:24,188 --> 00:25:27,121
So for the state of Oklahoma,
we didn't have to have a bachelor's degree

552
00:25:27,121 --> 00:25:30,253
prior to practicing here
before going to graduate school.

553
00:25:30,253 --> 00:25:34,053
So we could just do undergraduate work,
get 90 hours of undergraduate

554
00:25:34,053 --> 00:25:39,086
under a belt,
go down to Parker or whatever

555
00:25:39,152 --> 00:25:41,052
chiropractic school you know, they choose.

556
00:25:41,052 --> 00:25:41,885
And then

557
00:25:41,885 --> 00:25:45,218
we concurrently earned her bachelor's
degrees while we're doing our doctorate.

558
00:25:45,451 --> 00:25:47,384
So there's that option.

559
00:25:47,384 --> 00:25:49,051
So we came out with double bachelor's

560
00:25:49,051 --> 00:25:52,050
and a doctorate
in all just done through the same school.

561
00:25:52,184 --> 00:25:56,050
But if somebody wants to practice
in Florida, they, by state

562
00:25:56,050 --> 00:25:59,183
regulations, need to get their bachelor's
first before going to graduate school.

563
00:25:59,183 --> 00:26:01,882
So do a little bit of research
first, figure out,

564
00:26:01,882 --> 00:26:04,249
you know,
what state do you want to land in,

565
00:26:04,249 --> 00:26:07,248
and then that will kind of guide
your beginning part of schooling.

566
00:26:07,448 --> 00:26:08,181
But of course, it's

567
00:26:08,181 --> 00:26:11,581
four year undergraduate
and then four years of chiropractic.

568
00:26:11,581 --> 00:26:14,147
I'm sure similar to kind of what you guys
went through with medical school.

569
00:26:14,147 --> 00:26:14,547
Yeah, Yeah.

570
00:26:14,547 --> 00:26:17,347
And I think even with medical school

571
00:26:17,347 --> 00:26:20,880
technically, and I can, I can be wrong,
but at least when we were applying,

572
00:26:20,980 --> 00:26:22,946
you technically didn't
need to have a bachelor's.

573
00:26:22,946 --> 00:26:24,846
Yeah, you could do the 
90 credit hours thing too.

574
00:26:24,846 --> 00:26:26,979
And then you could move, and then you could
apply in the medical school.

575
00:26:26,979 --> 00:26:28,245
Although I can't vouch

576
00:26:28,245 --> 00:26:32,278
if that's still the policy or not,
but technically, it's very similar.

577
00:26:32,378 --> 00:26:34,045
Because we're old.

578
00:26:34,111 --> 00:26:34,445
I never thought

579
00:26:34,445 --> 00:26:35,378
I would say

580
00:26:35,378 --> 00:26:40,544
Something that...You guys are younger than us, so stop. 
You look younger than us. So

581
00:26:40,610 --> 00:26:41,910
but wow, okay.

582
00:26:41,910 --> 00:26:45,276
And so like,
okay, let's say they're in college.

583
00:26:45,343 --> 00:26:46,843
What would be a good way to gain exposure?

584
00:26:46,843 --> 00:26:49,909
Like, find a chiropractor
like yourself in shadow or?

585
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:52,875
Yes, absolutely. And,

586
00:26:52,875 --> 00:26:55,875
my husband, I can speak on his behalf
because I know he's

587
00:26:55,875 --> 00:26:58,874
shadowed a bunch of high school
kids before.

588
00:26:58,874 --> 00:26:59,474
that's awesome.

589
00:26:59,474 --> 00:27:02,807
In his private practice, patients
who are interested in, you know,

590
00:27:02,841 --> 00:27:05,807
taking that next step,
maybe looking at that as a career.

591
00:27:05,807 --> 00:27:10,206
So I would definitely say get under care,
see what it's like.

592
00:27:10,273 --> 00:27:12,539
and of course, if you've got a spine,
you need care anyways

593
00:27:12,539 --> 00:27:15,106
because your spine is so important
and we need to take care of it,

594
00:27:15,106 --> 00:27:19,105
like we take care of our teeth
and everything else, but start

595
00:27:19,205 --> 00:27:22,971
getting under care, start talking
to your chiropractor, ask them questions.

596
00:27:22,971 --> 00:27:26,304
And every chiropractor I know

597
00:27:26,371 --> 00:27:31,003
is going to be more than happy
to have somebody in their office shadowing

598
00:27:31,003 --> 00:27:34,703
and helping them, you know, learn
if this is something that they want to do.

599
00:27:34,769 --> 00:27:37,769
Do do we have a chiropractor school
here in Oklahoma?

600
00:27:37,769 --> 00:27:38,869
No, not that I'm aware of.

601
00:27:38,869 --> 00:27:42,168
So we went to Parker
because that was the closest to us

602
00:27:42,168 --> 00:27:45,735
and we wanted to be able to come back
to see family here in Oklahoma.

603
00:27:45,801 --> 00:27:48,268
Do you know if there's any plans
to get one here in Oklahoma?

604
00:27:48,268 --> 00:27:51,300
Not that I'm aware of,
but it would be awesome if we had more.

605
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:52,434
Yeah. Yeah.

606
00:27:52,434 --> 00:27:53,034
That'd be really. Cool.

607
00:27:53,034 --> 00:27:53,933
And I could be wrong, cause

608
00:27:53,933 --> 00:27:57,900
I don't think there's a whole lot right
in terms of the United States.

609
00:27:57,900 --> 00:28:01,266
Is it 15 or a little more than that?

610
00:28:01,499 --> 00:28:03,865
I mean, that sounds about right. Yeah.

611
00:28:03,865 --> 00:28:07,165
It's probably very competitive. Yeah.

612
00:28:07,232 --> 00:28:08,131
One of the things that

613
00:28:08,131 --> 00:28:13,164
that's always impressed me about
you becuase I, I am one of your patients is

614
00:28:13,264 --> 00:28:16,597
like you said earlier from the moment
that any of your patients,

615
00:28:16,597 --> 00:28:21,096
including myself, steps in to your clinic
to the moment that we come out.

616
00:28:21,163 --> 00:28:24,129
it's a completely different vibe,
completely different feel.

617
00:28:24,129 --> 00:28:27,629
And even the way that you interact
with patients, I felt was very unique

618
00:28:27,629 --> 00:28:29,728
compared to what I have seen,
even though I'm not that old.

619
00:28:29,728 --> 00:28:33,795
But at least in compared
to what I have seen, so far.

620
00:28:33,895 --> 00:28:34,761
Yeah.

621
00:28:34,761 --> 00:28:36,228
how did you develop that?

622
00:28:36,228 --> 00:28:37,894
How did you develop those skills?

623
00:28:37,894 --> 00:28:42,727
Because those are so unique
and I just find that to be very rare.

624
00:28:42,793 --> 00:28:44,293
Oh gosh, that's a tough question.

625
00:28:44,293 --> 00:28:44,893
I'm sorry.

626
00:28:44,893 --> 00:28:49,826
It's okay.

627
00:28:49,892 --> 00:28:51,325
you know, I don't know.

628
00:28:51,325 --> 00:28:54,225
It's. It's just inherent within me. Just.

629
00:28:54,225 --> 00:28:55,825
I care about people.

630
00:28:55,825 --> 00:28:59,458
And I think because I can empathize

631
00:28:59,458 --> 00:29:03,357
with somebody who comes in with neck pain
because I was there, I had it.

632
00:29:03,457 --> 00:29:06,190
And while I may not have,
you know, severe sciatica

633
00:29:06,190 --> 00:29:09,290
and I'm using a walker,
I still have empathy for that,

634
00:29:09,390 --> 00:29:12,323
that person who can barely get around.

635
00:29:12,323 --> 00:29:15,389
And I'm going to go out of my way
to try to make

636
00:29:15,389 --> 00:29:19,155
their experience in our office
the best part of their day.

637
00:29:19,222 --> 00:29:22,888
Because if somebody's
not having a great day, I would least want

638
00:29:22,988 --> 00:29:25,987
that to be one little slice
of, you know, hope.

639
00:29:25,987 --> 00:29:27,354
Because

640
00:29:27,454 --> 00:29:29,953
another thing is patients come to me,

641
00:29:29,953 --> 00:29:33,853
not everybody, but some come to me and
they've tried everything and they've never

642
00:29:33,853 --> 00:29:38,052
tried chiropractic and they may be older
or they have chronic conditions

643
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:42,018
and they're they're in a lot of pain
and they're suffering.

644
00:29:42,085 --> 00:29:45,985
And I'm
usually the last stop for those people.

645
00:29:46,051 --> 00:29:47,484
And I see that.

646
00:29:47,484 --> 00:29:51,350
And to not have them be hopeful,

647
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:55,150
to not give them hope,
I think is doing a major disservice.

648
00:29:55,217 --> 00:29:58,216
So I have a sign on my

649
00:29:58,349 --> 00:30:01,349
the room where adjust
this says expect miracles

650
00:30:01,449 --> 00:30:05,015
because we never know what the power
of the body and what it can do

651
00:30:05,015 --> 00:30:10,181
once we remove interference
and it can start healing. What it can do.

652
00:30:10,248 --> 00:30:11,381
Well yeah.

653
00:30:11,381 --> 00:30:15,814
And then I think it just goes to show like
I've seen personally I've experienced,

654
00:30:15,847 --> 00:30:19,013
you know, not just with even adults
but even kids.

655
00:30:19,113 --> 00:30:22,979
Because you do adjustments for kids
and your bedside manner with them.

656
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:24,546
It's just excellent.

657
00:30:24,546 --> 00:30:27,012
They know you
and they're comfortable with you.

658
00:30:27,012 --> 00:30:28,645
And, it's inspiring.

659
00:30:28,645 --> 00:30:32,878
And so I guess
that that's a great segue is

660
00:30:32,978 --> 00:30:36,044
Dr. Schmidt also does adjustments on kids
and has therapies for kids.

661
00:30:36,044 --> 00:30:39,077
So if we could talk a little bit
about that and what your age range is

662
00:30:39,077 --> 00:30:42,077
and what,
how you help them with their problems.

663
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:45,943
So age range in my practice,
like we truly have a family practice

664
00:30:45,943 --> 00:30:49,009
and I see generations of people
within the same family.

665
00:30:49,009 --> 00:30:52,742
And that's one of the highlights of my day
is when the parents

666
00:30:52,742 --> 00:30:55,742
and the kids all kind of get adjusted
and then the grandparents come in later.

667
00:30:55,875 --> 00:30:57,375
It's so fun. That's awesome.

668
00:30:57,375 --> 00:31:01,707
But I see kiddos from the moment
they're born.

669
00:31:01,707 --> 00:31:02,474
They can come in.

670
00:31:02,474 --> 00:31:05,207
I think our youngest patient in practice
was a week old

671
00:31:05,207 --> 00:31:09,640
and then my oldest patient
is about in their late eighties,

672
00:31:09,706 --> 00:31:12,339
so I adjust differently
for all those people.

673
00:31:12,339 --> 00:31:15,672
They all require
different nuanced adjustments,

674
00:31:15,672 --> 00:31:20,238
so I get to know the person and
and what they need very specifically.

675
00:31:20,305 --> 00:31:23,538
But for kids, for the youngest kids,
the infants who,

676
00:31:23,771 --> 00:31:25,371
you know, can't tell me
what's going on, I'm

677
00:31:25,371 --> 00:31:27,237
looking to the parents to help
guide me on that.

678
00:31:27,237 --> 00:31:30,337
So I'll look at the paperwork,
talk to the parent

679
00:31:30,337 --> 00:31:31,670
and see what the major issues are.

680
00:31:31,670 --> 00:31:35,203
And I would say with kiddos,
probably the most common thing I see

681
00:31:35,203 --> 00:31:38,402
is they have ear, nose, throats.

682
00:31:38,402 --> 00:31:43,502
They may be having more chronic ear
infections and a lot of congestion.

683
00:31:43,502 --> 00:31:45,235
So usually they bring them
in more frequently.

684
00:31:45,235 --> 00:31:48,901
They're congested to help prevent
that from settling in the ears.

685
00:31:48,901 --> 00:31:51,134
The Eustachian tubes.

686
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,100
poor sleep

687
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:56,633
constipation for those littles
as well as just wellness care.

688
00:31:56,633 --> 00:32:01,299
I would say a lot of the kids
just are for overall wellness as well.

689
00:32:01,366 --> 00:32:02,599
Yeah.

690
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:05,232
do, do you have any
like athletes or teenagers

691
00:32:05,232 --> 00:32:08,265
that come in
with, sports related injuries and stuff?

692
00:32:08,298 --> 00:32:09,065
I do.

693
00:32:09,065 --> 00:32:12,064
And so I do have
some athletes that come in

694
00:32:12,298 --> 00:32:15,764
and luckily we haven't had
any major sports injuries at this point.

695
00:32:15,764 --> 00:32:20,263
But my internship that I did in in
college was down in Bogota,

696
00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:23,029
Colombia, in South America,
Sports chiropractic.

697
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:26,596
So I've got a little experience
with that from that internship that I did

698
00:32:26,596 --> 00:32:29,962
where we treated Olympic
and high performing athletes down there.

699
00:32:30,028 --> 00:32:30,695
So luckily,

700
00:32:30,695 --> 00:32:34,461
I haven't seen any of those types
of injuries here yet with with the kids.

701
00:32:34,461 --> 00:32:35,594
I see. Right.

702
00:32:35,594 --> 00:32:38,661
So we're just keeping them, you know,
functioning at their optimal level.

703
00:32:38,661 --> 00:32:40,460
That way they're they're playing their best.

704
00:32:40,460 --> 00:32:44,960
And one of my patients,
he he plays basketball and we joke

705
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,459
because every time he comes in

706
00:32:46,459 --> 00:32:49,459
and gets adjusted,
he'll shoot three pointers that night.

707
00:32:49,726 --> 00:32:52,092
Oh wow that's awesome. Yeah, he just a little more.

708
00:32:52,092 --> 00:32:53,392
Loose, right? He's a little more loose.

709
00:32:53,392 --> 00:32:55,692
He's a little bit better on the court.

710
00:32:55,692 --> 00:32:56,591
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

711
00:32:56,591 --> 00:33:01,824
And they think it goes to show that,
you know, the body's just miraculous.

712
00:33:01,824 --> 00:33:04,857
And when you give it enough

713
00:33:04,957 --> 00:33:06,123
relief,

714
00:33:06,123 --> 00:33:07,923
It does the work. Absolutely.

715
00:33:07,923 --> 00:33:10,989
How was doing that
sports internship in Colombia.

716
00:33:10,989 --> 00:33:12,356
Was it different?

717
00:33:12,356 --> 00:33:15,755
I mean, was there, you know, obviously
they speak Spanish there.

718
00:33:15,855 --> 00:33:18,655
Did you have difficulty
or do you feel that chiropractic care

719
00:33:18,655 --> 00:33:20,155
is kind of universal?

720
00:33:20,155 --> 00:33:23,854
It is definitely universal, but definitely
there was a language barrier there.

721
00:33:23,954 --> 00:33:26,954
And so we were
we were pretty much dropped in there.

722
00:33:26,954 --> 00:33:30,920
I feel like we were, we had portable tables
and we set up

723
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,753
our main clinic was in a gym
at the training facility.

724
00:33:34,753 --> 00:33:37,752
So all the athletes come there to train
because of the altitude.

725
00:33:37,852 --> 00:33:40,852
So we were in the training facility there
and we worked alongside

726
00:33:40,852 --> 00:33:43,052
physiotherapists as well.

727
00:33:43,052 --> 00:33:47,084
And yeah, it was very difficult

728
00:33:47,151 --> 00:33:51,584
learning
how to do an entire exam in Spanish.

729
00:33:51,584 --> 00:33:54,183
And so we had a coach
it wasprobably nine,

730
00:33:54,183 --> 00:33:57,850
I believe, of us interns
living in an apartment there, in the city.

731
00:33:57,916 --> 00:34:02,915
And so we'd have somebody come in
and teach us Spanish, just crash

732
00:34:02,915 --> 00:34:05,415
course. A couple nights a week.

733
00:34:05,415 --> 00:34:06,882
Do you still practice Spanish?

734
00:34:06,882 --> 00:34:09,781
Not as as I wish I could,
but my mother in law

735
00:34:09,781 --> 00:34:14,447
recently moved to Mexico, so I should
be, you know, picking up a little bit more. Pretty good.

736
00:34:14,447 --> 00:34:16,447
Pretty good here. Yeah. So.

737
00:34:16,447 --> 00:34:16,980
Wow, You

738
00:34:16,980 --> 00:34:19,946
could take frequent trips down there.
Yeah. We're going to try that.

739
00:34:19,946 --> 00:34:20,746
That's great.

740
00:34:20,746 --> 00:34:23,613
I've never been.
And I always wanted to go.

741
00:34:23,613 --> 00:34:26,246
You've never been to Mexico? 
No. Oh you should go. Yeah, you went right?

742
00:34:26,246 --> 00:34:28,312
I went.
I thought it was a very, very cool place.

743
00:34:28,312 --> 00:34:30,745
Very interesting experience.

744
00:34:30,812 --> 00:34:33,111
I'm trying to teach myself Spanish, 

745
00:34:33,111 --> 00:34:35,011
pero yo hablo espanol pequito, ahora. 

746
00:34:35,011 --> 00:34:36,544
Hey

747
00:34:36,544 --> 00:34:37,444
That was awesome.

748
00:34:37,444 --> 00:34:38,311
I know. That's.

749
00:34:38,311 --> 00:34:40,844
That's. That's the most
I probably could do, but it's

750
00:34:40,844 --> 00:34:43,710
It's a very, It's a very special place,
I feel like.

751
00:34:43,710 --> 00:34:46,743
But maybe,
maybe someday learn more and pick up more.

752
00:34:46,843 --> 00:34:50,209
But I feel like to really learn a language
you really have to immerse yourself in.

753
00:34:50,209 --> 00:34:52,442
Yeah. And otherwise it's difficult
to do what we do.

754
00:34:52,442 --> 00:34:54,908
Learned great Spanish speakers by the time
we left. Yeah.

755
00:34:54,908 --> 00:34:56,841
And that's really. You were using it every day.

756
00:34:56,841 --> 00:34:58,274
Yes, you have to use it.

757
00:34:58,274 --> 00:35:02,507
And if you don't,
I mean, you do tend to lose it. So,

758
00:35:02,574 --> 00:35:06,273
but you know, it's, it's another thing,
another one of the things to do.

759
00:35:06,373 --> 00:35:06,940
Yeah.

760
00:35:06,940 --> 00:35:10,806
Learn Spanish or be more fluent. So yeah,

761
00:35:10,873 --> 00:35:12,706
one of the questions I had is there like,

762
00:35:12,706 --> 00:35:16,672
any evolving research or technology

763
00:35:16,672 --> 00:35:22,038
in your field that you're really excited
for that you've read about recently?

764
00:35:22,104 --> 00:35:24,437
There's a couple different researchers

765
00:35:24,437 --> 00:35:28,304
that I follow,
and I, I read books and research on.

766
00:35:28,304 --> 00:35:30,403
And so Dr. Heidi Haavik is a great one.

767
00:35:30,403 --> 00:35:33,370
She's got this
awesome book called The Reality Check.

768
00:35:33,370 --> 00:35:35,403
So anybody who's interested in
chiropractic or just 

769
00:35:35,403 --> 00:35:38,536
wants to learn more about the science
behind it, that's an awesome,

770
00:35:38,536 --> 00:35:42,335
easy read if you're not a doctor
to even pick up and read.

771
00:35:42,335 --> 00:35:44,001
So The Reality Check's
a really great one.

772
00:35:44,001 --> 00:35:47,001
So that's got some science
and some research backed into it

773
00:35:47,001 --> 00:35:49,867
cause she does a lot of research,
so that's probably one of my favorites.

774
00:35:49,867 --> 00:35:52,734
That's awesome. Wow.

775
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,333
speaking of books though, like, you know,

776
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:01,966
in terms of getting to know our providers
a little bit more personally,

777
00:36:02,032 --> 00:36:04,299
the question we've asked actually Mr.

778
00:36:04,299 --> 00:36:07,831
Splitt recently is about like
what are his recommendations of just

779
00:36:07,931 --> 00:36:11,264
books that he enjoys reading,
whether it's for like, you know,

780
00:36:11,364 --> 00:36:14,564
personal wellness, knowledge, hobby of his,

781
00:36:14,631 --> 00:36:18,630
is there a book that you thought was just
like what any piece of literature, right.

782
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:21,630
It could be a book of your magazine
or whatever could be

783
00:36:21,630 --> 00:36:24,929
could be a show on Hulu or Netflix
or something that you're just like, Wow,

784
00:36:24,929 --> 00:36:26,429
this was just great.

785
00:36:26,429 --> 00:36:29,428
And, and, I learned a lot from this.

786
00:36:29,595 --> 00:36:32,061
So I listen to a lot of audiobooks
because I live in Edmond

787
00:36:32,061 --> 00:36:36,161
and commute down to South Oklahoma City and Norman,
so I get a lot of audiobook time in.

788
00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:37,094
Yeah.

789
00:36:37,094 --> 00:36:39,860
And the one I'm listening to right now
is Dr.

790
00:36:39,860 --> 00:36:40,827
Joe Dispenza.

791
00:36:40,827 --> 00:36:43,760
Becoming Supernatural,
I think is what it's called.

792
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,326
So I love his books.

793
00:36:45,326 --> 00:36:48,326
Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself
is another great one of his,

794
00:36:48,492 --> 00:36:51,492
and Michael Singer's got some great books.

795
00:36:51,492 --> 00:36:52,192
Eckhart Tolle.

796
00:36:52,192 --> 00:36:54,525
So I like a lot of those types of genres.

797
00:36:54,525 --> 00:36:57,425
Yeah.
It's it's called Becoming Supernatural.

798
00:36:57,425 --> 00:36:59,691
What's it. About? He's a chiropractor also.

799
00:36:59,691 --> 00:37:00,724
That's so cool. Yeah.

800
00:37:00,724 --> 00:37:05,923
So he's done a lot of, another one 
that does a lot of research on neurology

801
00:37:06,023 --> 00:37:09,989
and learning about what
the meditative process

802
00:37:09,989 --> 00:37:11,756
and linking the mind and body together.

803
00:37:11,756 --> 00:37:15,189
And he does a lot of research
in quantum physics and all of that.

804
00:37:15,189 --> 00:37:19,721
So it's very nerdy, but it's again,
I love nerdy stuff.

805
00:37:19,721 --> 00:37:23,088
Yeah, Yeah. It interests you. I know.

806
00:37:23,188 --> 00:37:23,921
Obviously, back

807
00:37:23,921 --> 00:37:27,720
pain is one of the most common complaints
that both Veer and I see in our clinic.

808
00:37:27,787 --> 00:37:28,920
Especially,

809
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,920
especially me being an internal medicine
doctor and having more,

810
00:37:32,986 --> 00:37:36,652
patients that are, on the older side.

811
00:37:36,752 --> 00:37:40,219
what other specific issues
do you see other than,

812
00:37:40,319 --> 00:37:41,752
you know, the typical back pain?

813
00:37:41,752 --> 00:37:43,452
I know we touched it a little bit,
but I was wondering

814
00:37:43,452 --> 00:37:46,984
if you could emphasize a little more
on other issues that you see patients for.

815
00:37:46,984 --> 00:37:48,051
Yeah, of course.

816
00:37:48,051 --> 00:37:51,650
So with adults, most
every adult comes in with some type

817
00:37:51,650 --> 00:37:55,350
of symptom. Very rarely do I get an adult
that just comes in purely for wellness.

818
00:37:55,350 --> 00:37:57,850
And when they do come for wellness,
there's,

819
00:37:57,850 --> 00:38:00,049
I always uncover something
that's going on.

820
00:38:00,049 --> 00:38:02,915
I would say
musculoskeletal is the main issues

821
00:38:02,915 --> 00:38:06,948
they present with typical low back
pain, hip pain, sometimes sciatica,

822
00:38:07,015 --> 00:38:10,714
neck pain, headaches, migraines,
sometimes radiculoathy down the arm.

823
00:38:10,781 --> 00:38:16,180
Those are probably
the predominant conditions that come in.

824
00:38:16,247 --> 00:38:22,246
But once we get through all of that
and all the symptoms start easing up,

825
00:38:22,246 --> 00:38:24,246
resolving. Their bodies,

826
00:38:24,246 --> 00:38:28,412
doing what it needs to do their healing,
they're becoming better. Patient,

827
00:38:28,412 --> 00:38:31,045
those patients end up
sticking with chiropractic

828
00:38:31,045 --> 00:38:35,211
because not only they like
how the adjustments make them feel,

829
00:38:35,211 --> 00:38:37,344
but they realize
that they're actually healthier.

830
00:38:37,344 --> 00:38:42,343
They're like, how I was personally
when I started chiropractic years ago.

831
00:38:42,410 --> 00:38:44,443
They're just living
at a more optimal level,

832
00:38:44,443 --> 00:38:48,242
and so they're maintaining their good
spinal health and wellness at that point.

833
00:38:48,242 --> 00:38:51,942
And in that way, if anything does happen
down the road, like,

834
00:38:52,175 --> 00:38:56,075
God forbid, they get into a car accident
or they slip and fall,

835
00:38:56,141 --> 00:38:59,608
then we don't have very much work to do
to get them back to that level

836
00:38:59,608 --> 00:39:02,707
that they were just, At the baseline?
Yeah, back to baseline where they're at.

837
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,774
Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.

838
00:39:04,774 --> 00:39:04,974
Yeah.

839
00:39:04,974 --> 00:39:07,473
So they're already established,
you know them

840
00:39:07,473 --> 00:39:11,106
and then they can get back to their own
groove even if something happens.

841
00:39:11,306 --> 00:39:11,506
Yeah.

842
00:39:11,506 --> 00:39:15,205
I get to know their stress patterns
really well with because I see patients

843
00:39:15,405 --> 00:39:19,105
just frequently
and over the course of years they'll

844
00:39:19,338 --> 00:39:23,338
come in on a regular basis to maintain
good spinal health and wellness.

845
00:39:23,404 --> 00:39:26,904
So I get to I can tell
when they've done extra yard work

846
00:39:26,904 --> 00:39:28,804
and weekend
warrior stuff over the weekend.

847
00:39:28,804 --> 00:39:31,203
I can tell by how their back is. Yeah.

848
00:39:31,203 --> 00:39:37,036
And then if they've got extra stress
at their job again, I can tell.

849
00:39:37,102 --> 00:39:41,302
So definitely with all the things
that we put our bodies through.

850
00:39:41,335 --> 00:39:45,901
Right, those those folks that are coming in
regularly to maintain or do the best.

851
00:39:45,968 --> 00:39:47,434
Right, Right.

852
00:39:47,434 --> 00:39:48,467
Well Dr. Schmidt,

853
00:39:48,467 --> 00:39:49,701
Thank you so much for being here today.

854
00:39:49,701 --> 00:39:50,734
We really appreciate you

855
00:39:50,734 --> 00:39:54,500
taking the time and talking to us
and talking to our listeners.

856
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,999
you know, at the end of our episode,
we always ask our guests if there's like

857
00:39:57,999 --> 00:40:02,399
one message you'd like to relay
to our listeners, what would that be?

858
00:40:02,466 --> 00:40:03,365
I would say the

859
00:40:03,365 --> 00:40:07,398
biggest message
would be that we truly live our lives

860
00:40:07,398 --> 00:40:10,464
through our nervous systems
and the importance

861
00:40:10,464 --> 00:40:14,497
of taking care of your spine
because we can't transplant our spines.

862
00:40:14,564 --> 00:40:17,163
And I always
I've got analogies for everything,

863
00:40:17,163 --> 00:40:21,063
but I tell folks,
it's like when you start getting teeth,

864
00:40:21,063 --> 00:40:24,996
when you're, you know, a toddler,
we start learning how to brush

865
00:40:24,996 --> 00:40:29,528
and take care of those teeth every day
and we brush and floss every single day.

866
00:40:29,595 --> 00:40:31,495
We take care of those teeth.
They are important.

867
00:40:31,495 --> 00:40:34,028
They have an important job to do,
but so does our spine.

868
00:40:34,028 --> 00:40:35,494
What do we do to take care of our spine?

869
00:40:35,494 --> 00:40:37,461
We just kind of let it be.

870
00:40:37,461 --> 00:40:41,893
Yeah, maybe slap an ice pack on it,
but making sure it's moving properly.

871
00:40:41,893 --> 00:40:43,893
Your nervous system is functioning
properly.

872
00:40:43,893 --> 00:40:49,659
That's so important
because of all the stresses that we go

873
00:40:49,659 --> 00:40:53,258
through daily life,
because you can always implant new teeth,

874
00:40:53,258 --> 00:40:57,858
but you it's very difficult to take care
of the spine when it gets to that point.

875
00:40:57,858 --> 00:41:01,957
You're going to have to go through some
major things. Yeah, Yeah. So.

876
00:41:02,024 --> 00:41:03,724
Well, once again, thank you so much, Dr.

877
00:41:03,724 --> 00:41:04,024
Schmidt.

878
00:41:04,024 --> 00:41:08,223
We really appreciate you taking the time
and coming here and talking to us.

879
00:41:08,290 --> 00:41:10,789
and thank you so much
for kind of explaining to us what

880
00:41:10,789 --> 00:41:13,622
chiropractic, or what chiropractors do,

881
00:41:13,622 --> 00:41:17,688
and for also kind of giving us
a lot of your impressions.

882
00:41:17,688 --> 00:41:19,688
And I really, really,
really appreciate that.

883
00:41:19,688 --> 00:41:22,521
So thank you so much, guys, for having me.
It was a pleasure.

884
00:41:22,521 --> 00:41:24,921
I enjoyed it. Of course. Of course.

885
00:41:24,921 --> 00:41:28,120
Well, guys,
this ends the episode of our podcast

886
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,386
Vital Visions today
as we explored the world of chiropracty.

887
00:41:31,386 --> 00:41:33,186
And thank you for joining us.

888
00:41:33,186 --> 00:41:35,819
As always. You stay classy.

889
00:41:35,819 --> 00:41:36,752
And stay out of trouble.